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In nearly twenty years of coaching PLM implementations, I’ve noticed something striking: these projects often mirror politics—not just in complexity, but in the blame game that follows when things go wrong.
When something goes wrong, people rarely see it as an opportunity to solve the issue together. They look for someone to blame instead.
That happens in politics and in Product Lifecycle Management. I wrote about it in 2019, The PLM Blame Game—and most of those observations still hold—although the emphasis has shifted.
But what if the real issue isn’t the system or the technology? What if it’s the human connections—or lack thereof—that determine success?
Political systems/ PLM approaches
In democracies, everyone debates priorities, but progress is slow. Stakeholders defend their own interests, consultants favor preferred solutions, and vendors promise the moon. Long-term plans such as digital transformation often stall.
The result is familiar: each leadership change resets ambitions, leaving users with mixed messages and less commitment – sounds familiar in PLM?.
Then there are the autocracies, where a single dominant view determines the path. Usually, that view comes not from the CEO but from the CFO or CIO. These leaders often have a limited understanding of product lifecycle management and instead rely on trusted networks.
That is why some companies choose SAP because “all enterprises run on SAP” or Teamcenter because “everyone in automotive uses Teamcenter.” Strategic consultants reinforce the same pattern with their own preferred solutions.
The result: Surface-level alignment, but resistance beneath the surface—another familiar PLM scenario.
In smaller companies, a populist version often appears. Without a strong strategic layer, the loudest voices from vendors and implementers shape the company’s view. That is the riskiest setup because vision and strategy are effectively outsourced. Early in my career, I often heard:
“You know solution XYZ, so tell us what to do.”
The result is predictable: no one in the company feels a true sense of ownership of the business outcome – the type of situations I have been mediating the most.

Of course, the analogy is imperfect. Countries usually lack competition, so citizens cannot simply switch. Still, it is a useful way to frame what happens in PLM.
They – not us – are the problem!
In the past, debates focused on who was to blame for project problems, often blaming the stakeholder who was not at the table.
Vendors and implementers blamed customers, vendors and customers blamed implementers, and implementers blamed vendors. My role in PLM mediations was to get everyone into the same room.
But one issue always remained:
Blaming the customer is difficult when the customer is assumed to be right – They are paying the bill and not always with pleasure.
Why 70 % of PLM implementations fail – or not?
For decades, we have heard horror stories about failed PLM implementations, each supposedly explained by one simple cause.
Depending on who tells the story, the culprit is the software, the company culture, poor user involvement, or unrealistic ambitions without a budget or understanding.
But the truth is more nuanced: many of these implementations did not actually fail completely.
People react strongly to the word failure because no one wants to be associated with it.
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Yet, in software, ‘failing fast’ is often celebrated—it’s a way to adapt early. PLM is slowly catching on, with the rise of Minimum Viable Product (MVP) approaches. Instead of waiting for a ‘perfect’ big-bang rollout, companies now start with a working foundation and iterate as needs emerge.”
That only works if the company owns its vision and strategy. An MVP approach also demands end-to-end stakeholder involvement, because everyone contributes to the solution. At the same time, our limbic brain works against us: it pushes us to protect what we know and react strongly to change.
That reaction shows up in PLM projects too. The loudest critics get the most attention, which makes it easy to conclude a program failed—even when it is working for most people who have adapted to the change.
And now, a new trend has emerged:
PLM systems are failing!
Now, a new claim is gaining traction: PLM systems themselves are failing. With the rise of AI, traditional vendors are being blamed for failing to provide the right infrastructure or opportunities for AI-enabled capabilities.

After years of success built on legacy platforms, vendors now face growing pressure from opinion leaders calling for change.
Martin Eigner has made this point in several posts:
- Why We’re “Optimizing” Problems We Created Ourselves
- 50 % failure rate is not an accident
- My vision for the next 5 years
Oleg Shilovitsky has made similar arguments:
- Did We Solve PLM, or Just Learn How to Describe It?
- Who can replace the big three PLM and why that may be the wrong question in the Age of AI?
- Is Product Memory Just a New Name for PLM?
Prof. Dr. Jörg W. Fischer wrote:
- Will we ever solve PLM? We did, but AI has taken over.
- Digitalization has failed to deliver on its central promise! Why?
Doug Macdonald wrote about the shortcomings of Legacy PLM, which most companies imagine/practice:
- The shortcomings of Legacy PLM
- Could you manage the development of a toothbrush in a Legacy PLM system
I agree with much of this critique, for sure, if you still consider PLM a system rather than a product lifecycle management strategy implemented through a federated infrastructure of systems.
The posts I referred to highlight real problems from the past and suggest that new insights and AI might help us build better businesses. The question is whether that promise will be fulfilled.
Creating the human thread
AI could help businesses break through organizational silos by pulling together information across functions.
That would make concepts such as the digital thread and digital twin easier to implement without relying on dedicated interfaces.
This shift creates both opportunity and risk.
If AI reduces the need for siloed optimization, traditional middle-management roles will change. The key question is whether companies are willing to rethink their structures or stay constrained by Conway’s Law.
It could also make many methodology debates less important.
Today, we as consultants often promote methodologies shaped by our own experience or vendor narratives. The long-running eBOM–mBOM debate is a good example. Across industries and platforms, the answer is often more straightforward than the discussion suggests.
As AI absorbs more collective knowledge, the role of PLM experts and consultants will shift. At the Share PLM Summit in Jerez, we discussed what should come next: a stronger focus on human connection.
That is why I use the term human thread: the network of relationships that connects people across the business. Michael Finochario (Fino) touches on the same shift in his post on the changing balance between humans and technology, in his review of my session in Jerez.
Others are moving in the same direction. This week, Helene Älander shared a post that makes a similar point.
Helene’s post and the related discussion suggest a growing belief that transformation depends less on technology alone and more on human connection and motivation inside the company.
A quote from Helene’s post, and I recommend reading the full post and thread.
One lesson has stayed with me ever since:
Transformation rarely fails because of technology. It slows down when the distance between executive ambition and middle-management reality becomes too large.
For now, I call this the need for the human thread. A successful transformation starts with an end-to-end human connection across the business, with people treating that connection as a shared priority.
Because people are intrinsically motivated by a human connection.
The human thread requires a new approach, new forms of workshops and learning sessions where leaders, managers, and employees work together on the desired business flow.
Helene Älander points in this direction, and Share PLM supports it through initiatives such as Share The Nest.
Also this year at the Share PLM Summit in Jerez, Andreas Wank described how Pepperl+Fuchs made a breakthrough by bringing people together. As Fino in his review post quoted:
No one on the team wanted to make a decision because every decision affected someone else. So they put 30 people in one room for a week and forced them to make decisions. Not perfect decisions. Working hypotheses. That was a critical insight: In PLM, waiting for perfect certainty kills momentum.
The year before, at the 2025 Share PLM Summit, Andrea Järvrén already shared a similar lesson, describing how Tetra Pak used design sprints to advance its PLM work by prioritizing human interaction.
It is an unstoppable trend – the human thread popping up in more and more conversations.
Conclusion
The time for blaming systems, technology, and methodology should fade into the background. Companies need to focus on building business flow through the human thread—the human connections that drive commitment, motivation, and change.
So, here is the question: Are we ready to stop blaming systems and start building the human thread? Or will we keep repeating the same patterns, just with fancier technology?

Erik Rieger and Matthew Sullivian have been active last year, organizing a workgroup related to Design for Sustainability, as you might recall from earlier posts: Towards a shared definition of Design for Sustainability.
As part of this exploration, Erik Rieger and Jos Voskuil had a conversation with Adrian Segens, an experienced professional at Cambridge Design Partnership and a thought leader in packaging, recycling, and sustainability, contributing to industry discussions, reports, and LinkedIn posts.
For that reason, we were happy to record an interview with Adrian, discussing his background in sustainability, the connection to businesses and the concept of Product As A Service – a must for a circular economy.
Enjoy the 36-minute interview below:
The images presented during this recording can be found HERE.
What we learned
- Sustainability is an Economic Imperative: the effort to sustain a “working and livable economy and society” for a global population of eight billion people. The transition to a circular economy is an economic necessity because current resource use and climate emissions are tied directly to how we make and consume products.
- The shift to ‘Product as a Service’ (PaaS) is essential: Manufacturers must retain ownership of material flows—a cornerstone of circularity and a sustainable economic model. This approach replaces the unpredictability of one-time sales with steady, predictable revenue, long-term customer value, and a reduced reliance on virgin resources.
- Recycling is a Low Priority on the “Ladder of 10”: A major misconception is that the circular economy is primarily about recycling. In reality, recycling is ranked eighth in a ten-stage hierarchy of circularity. Higher-value strategies include rethinking the business model (the second step), reusing products (the most preferred method), and refurbishing equipment.
- Digitalization is essential for Scaling: The circular economy cannot scale without digitalization, as we need full traceability of materials and outcomes. Technologies like Digital Product Passports (DPP) and Product Lifecycle Management (PLM) are necessary to provide the end-to-end visibility required to track every product in the field, manage complex return logistics, and collect metadata to improve future designs.
Want to learn more?
Adrian recommends that we dive deeper following these links:
- Learn more about Cambridge Design Partnership and its activities.
- Follow and connect with Adrian Segens on LinkedIn, and reach out with your questions.
- Learn more about WEF’s Circular Car Initiative as a great vision of what a circular future looks like.
- Watch this documentary about Adrien’s hero: Dieter Rams.
Conclusion
We all agree that the transition to a circular economy is an economic necessity, requiring a fundamental shift toward product-as-a-service models. Understanding that product design is the most effective lever for reducing environmental impact, prioritizing high-value actions like reuse and refurbishment over recycling.
For us as a PLM community, the circular economy cannot function at scale without digitalization. Success relies on end-to-end visibility, enabled by modern, data-driven PLM infrastructures, to manage material flows and leverage data for continuous improvement.
We have work to do
Those who follow my blog know that whenever I visit an event, I push myself to write a review the weekend after to share the experience. However, this time after the conference, I have been exploring further the Andalusian culture, making me realize that this is exactly what makes the conference different and stand out.
Where traditional conferences are often in cold high-tech places, efficiently to reach, making it for attendees an event in their comfort zone, the Share PLM Summit is held in a grand bodega in the unhurried scenery of Jerez de la Frontera.
An experience best described by Helena Alander in her recent post: “I have never taken the time to invest in myself.” – Read the post, she shares a great reflection.
As the focus of Share PLM is to focus on human-centric transformations, there is much more focus on the human experiences of people implementing transformations in their companies.
The human focus translates into a diverse audience and one big common theme for all, instead of a traditional industry or technology focus.
With more than a hundred attendees, the conference felt like a big family gathering where you can easily connect and learn from everyone. I believe this type of conference will be the future in the age of AI.

The many sponsors that joined the conference were also a part of the success. Without their support and human-centric messages, it would be hard to make this event sustainable 😉
If you want to read an impression of each session, Michael Finocchareo made a great effort to share the highlights of each session – you can find all his excellent reviews here: Share PLM Summit – Fino Summary Post Index.
And now some of my personal highlights from the conference!
The Role of People in Transformation Programs: Experience LEAN
An interesting learning experience was the session from Javier Sánchez, who is a plant manager at Kerry in Spain, about the implementation of LEAN at several plants in Spain.
Where initially we might think that PLM and plant operations are two different worlds, Javier was able to take us on the journey of implementing a LEAN program for the Spanish plants. There was so much communality to PLM implementations when dealing with behavioural change and the uncertainty of people.
Change can only happen when people in the organisation understand and trust what is going to happen and that they are part of a change for their benefit.
TRUST is the word that I noted down, and to build trust, you can see how Javier shared the org chart of the Kerry Sevilla plant – upside down – people at the top and the manager at the bottom to support everyone.
This image above really illustrates that you have a people-first approach.
Javier further elaborated on the difference of such an approach and how an organization can be fully engaged, as the picture below illustrates.
And after a successful implementation, Javier also warned about the rebound effect.
Where initially the excitement and energy come from the new situation, companies might slowly fall back into the traditional, as over time people have and bring their habits, the pyramid falls over as the image to the left illustrates and Javier shared several potential causes for such a rebound.
Important to see C-level change as #1 point, a point I have seen popping up in many PLM implementations too. After starting with a great vision, new people at the C-level come in questioning the vision (and strategy).
Note: GENBA is a term coming from LEAN, and is also relevant to PLM. It refers to the location where value is created—such as a factory floor, construction site, sales floor, or any workplace where the core work happens.
The concept emphasizes the importance of direct observation and engagement at the source of the action, rather than relying on reports or second-hand information.
It is a key principle in lean manufacturing and continuous improvement methodologies, encouraging leaders to “go to the GENBA” to understand problems and opportunities firsthand.
Combined with his great storytelling skills, Javier took us on an interesting story, very relevant for a human-centric approach and showing that we can learn from other disciplines.
Adapting PLM implementation strategy in evolving organizational realities
Susanna Mäentausta, also a guest in our Share PLM season 2 podcast with that time the title The ROI of Digitalization: A Deep Dive into Business Value gave an interesting lecture about her experiences with the PLM implementation at her current company, Novartis.
She excels in keeping her focus on both PLM business value and strategies to achieve this.
I knew Susanna from her earlier presentation at the Product Innovation 2019 conference in London. Here she stood out because of her strategic and tactical approach to implementing PLM – at that time at Kemira – where she was able to get PLM business benefits to be discussed at the C-level – it was more than a technical story.
You can read my observations from that time here: The weekend after PI PLMx London 2019
In her session this time, she explained all the challenges that she had to address at her current employer. It was not such a nice, linear step-by-step approach as presented by Andreas Wank earlier that day, talking about his implementation challenges at Pepperl & Fuchs.
Susanna’s tactics were all about securing the progress of the PLM project – design for change and awareness in the organisation. Javier Sanchez mentioned that the change at the C-level had a serious impact on the roadmap, as did both Susanna and Andreas. It remains a continuous point of attention when you want to guarantee a long-term outcome.
The image below says it all:
Susanne ended with some tactics:
- Design for non-removable anchor points that keep the PLM vision connected even when priorities shift.
- Define the non-negotiable cornerstone for the future: process & design frameworks and necessary authorities.
Her final recommendation was also interesting – the core team should have a clear long-term understanding of the future and work in an entrepreneurial mindset, meanwhile shielding execution from organizational politics.
Don’t get involved in politics – a recommendation that I also often shared, as politics is so much about emotions and subjective arguments, it’s better to work around it in silence.
The Human Advantage: Working and Leading in the Age of AI
Helena Gutierrez, well known as one of the founders of Share PLM and her AI-related newsletter, shared her positive view on how AI, in one way, destroyed Share PLM’s actual business practices, as a lot of material development now could be done with the help of AI in hours, compared to days of actual design work.
Companies won’t pay anymore for weeks of development of specific materials, she also pointed to the need for human skills in the future.
I think we agree on the fact that with AI, we will need people who can bridge and work with agentic AI to achieve unmet benefits for organisations. These people will have a special role; they are there for their human skills, combining emotion and logic, potentially a highly rewarding job, however, in smaller quantities than current knowledge workers in companies.
In my session Are Humans Still Resources?, I shared a pessimistic viewpoint and an optimistic end.
The pessimistic part is based on the fact that we humans run on our old biological hardware, the limbic brain, which urges us to save energy (think fast) and may lead to cognitive surrender. This situation might push companies to invest even more in AI and consider humans as a difficult resource to handle – are we back in the early days of the industrial revolution?
The optimistic side, which was also mentioned by others, and we see it happen, is that thanks to AI, the entrepreneur has a much easier life. A lot of the supporting activities for an entrepreneur can now be done using AI agents – the image below from this post by Dr.Sam Zolfagharian says it all:
For sure, the discussion will go on between the optimists and the realists (pessimists in disguise)
Scaling human capabilities
I am closing this impression with a train of thought that I can’t get out of my head. We can scale tools and resources with AI, leaving only a space for people with a combination of specific human skills – not only deep thinking, but also emotional and empathic roles, like healthcare providers, coaches and entertainers.
These roles are hard to scale – you become a coach by learning from experiences, and AI will not have an “experience transfer function.” How will business scale in the future, as we also see that junior roles in an organisation disappear due to AI?

The topic was also discussed in the interesting AI panel discussion – image above – with a mix of participants. It was a balanced discussion between tech, vision and reality and one of the highlights was the response from Susanna to a question from the audience:
“I don’t know.”
Have you ever seen someone honestly say this in a panel discussion? And what would AI respond? Great to see the human presence.
Where will humans build their experience and skills to think? I wrote about this already in March and have not yet answered: PLM, AI, and the Risk of Cognitive Surrender: A Call to Stay Sharp!
How to stay sharp in an AI-dominated world?
Conclusion
The Share PLM summit demonstrated again that a human-centric approach related to product lifecycle management has many benefits, as these shared experiences and outcomes from the discussions are directly applicable. Big kudos to the Share PLM team that dared to invest in such an event last year and exceeded expectations this year.
For those who want to learn more, join us at the upcoming event, Putting People in PLM: A Share PLM Summit Recap! and get excited.
For those who are interested in a lifetime, full-time job, watch this excellent short movie below:
Recently, I have been reading some interesting posts beyond all the technical discussions related to PLM and AI. Is PLM becoming obsolete? Are we heading to a new type of infrastructure based on MCP agents? Are these agents an example of new ways of collaboration?
Collaboration – it pops up everywhere!
Chad Jackson wrote about the results of their Lifecycle Insights MBSE survey. For me, MBSE is the starting point for a modern product portfolio containing products based on hardware and software. MBSE is also a great example of working in what I call the connected mode.
Here is a quote from the article that triggered me:
The 𝐧𝐮𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 organizations deploy MBSE is not simulation or architecture development. It is 𝐞𝐧𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 — at 67%. But here is the uncomfortable part.
Only 24% reported actually achieving collaboration as a business outcome. That is a 43-point gap between intent and result. Traceability is even worse — 48% deploy MBSE for it, 9% say they have realized it.
What if the problem is not that MBSE fails to deliver collaboration — but that most organizations 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 in measurable terms?
Chad Jackson’s article aligns with many other discussions I had with companies related to PLM (and MBSE) – itinspired me to focus this time on collaboration.
How do we measure collaboration?
My 2015 blog post has the same title: How do you measure collaboration? The post was written at a time when PLM collaboration had to compete with ERP execution stories. Often, engineering collaboration was considered an inefficient process to be fixed in the future, according to some ERP vendors.
ERP always had a strong voice at the management level—boxes on an org chart, reporting lines, clear ownership and KPIs flowing upward. You could see how the company was performing.
From the management side, accountability flows downward. The architecture of the organization mirrors the architecture of the product, and the architecture of the product mirrors the architecture of the organization.
We have known this for decades; it is Conway’s Law. Yet we are still surprised when silos emerge exactly where we designed them.
The Management Dilemma
In many of my engagements, the company’s management often struggles to understand the value of collaboration because there is no direct line between collaboration and immediate performance. Revenue can be measured. Cycle times can be measured. Defects can be measured. Even employee turnover can be measured.
But collaboration? What is the KPI?
It is a fair question. If something cannot be quantified, it becomes subjective and depends on gut feelings. And if it cannot be tied directly to quarterly results, it often becomes optional.
The problem is not that collaboration has no impact on performance – look at the introduction of email in companies. Did your company make a business case for that?
Still, it improved collaboration a lot, and sometimes it became a burden with all the CC-messages and epistles exchanged.
Collaboration has an impact, deeply and systematically. But its impact is indirect, delayed, and distributed. It reduces friction, can improve shared understanding and prevent expensive rework.
The return on investment on collaboration is real, but it does not show up as a clean, linear metric.
For a hierarchical and linearly structured organization, horizontal collaboration is often hard to “sell.”
Back to Conway’s Law
Organizational structure shapes communication patterns. Communication patterns shape systems.
If your organization is vertical, your product will be vertical. If your incentives are local, your decisions will be local. If your teams are isolated, your solutions will be fragmented.
You cannot expect horizontal behavior from a vertically optimized structure without friction.
Disconnected collaboration initiatives fail because they try to overlay horizontal tools on top of vertical incentives.
Attempts like a new collaboration platform or using shared workspace technology to incentivize collaboration are examples of this approach.
But the underlying structure remains untouched. People are still measured on local performance. Budgets are still allocated per department. Promotions still reward vertical success.
First question to ask in your company: Who is responsible for your PLM/collaboration infrastructure for non-transactional information?
Most likely, it is in the IT or Engineering silo, rarely on a higher organizational level.
And then we are surprised when collaboration stalls?
The Myth of the Tool
Whenever collaboration becomes a pain, people look for IT tools as a cure.
“We need better platforms.”
“We need integrated systems.”
and now:
“We need AI – the AI agents will do the collaboration for us.”
Tools matter, but they are amplifiers. They amplify existing behavior. They do not create it. While finalizing this article, I saw this post from Dr. Sebastian Wernicke coming in, containing this quote:
Agents are software. Maturity is culture. And culture, inconveniently, doesn’t come with an install package.
If trust is low, a collaboration platform becomes a battlefield. If incentives are misaligned, shared dashboards become weapons. If fear dominates, transparency becomes a threat.
Collaboration is not a software problem. It is a human problem. Which brings us to something that is rarely discussed in boardrooms: the intrinsic motivation of its employees.
The Limbic Brain Is Always There
Beneath the rational layer of strategy and planning sits something older: the limbic system. The part of us that cares about belonging, safety, recognition, autonomy, and purpose.
Collaboration thrives when the limbic brain’s needs are met. It collapses when they are threatened.
- If people feel unsafe, they protect information!
- If they feel undervalued, they withdraw effort!
- If they feel controlled, they resist alignment!
You cannot mandate collaboration if the emotional system of the organization is defensive.
The question is not “How do we force collaboration?”
The question is “How do we create conditions where collaboration feels natural?”
And that requires leaders to connect to the human, not just to the role or an artificial intelligence solution. They should be inspired by this iconic image from Share PLM:

Besides a difficult-to-quantify ROI, there is another reason why collaboration struggles to gain executive traction: it rarely creates immediate success.
It prevents future failure, and we humans in general do not prioritize prevention, thinking of our environmental, financial and potential even health behavior. Where prevention has the lowest cost, most of the time, fixing the damage lies in our nature.
For companies, it is easier to celebrate the hero who fixes a late-stage integration disaster than the quiet team that prevented it months earlier through cross-functional dialogue.
For me, the firefighters are the biggest challenge to successfully implementing a PLM infrastructure. The image to the left comes from a 2014 presentation when discussing potential resistance to a successful PLM implementation.
In vertical systems, firefighting is visible. Prevention is silent and therefore collaboration activities feel like a cost center rather than a strategic lever.
Where to Push, Where to Invest?
If you cannot directly measure collaboration, where should you push? Not in tools alone, slogans or one-off workshops. Invest in shared experiences.
When people meet outside their vertical silos, something subtle shifts. They see faces instead of functions. They understand constraints instead of assuming incompetence. They replace narratives with conversations.
Note: shared experiences are not the same as planned online webmeetings that became popular during and after COVID. They have a rigid regime of collaboration enforcement, back-to-back in many companies, most of the time lacking the typical “coffee machine” experiences.
Also, when looking at events where people share experiences, there is a difference between a traditional vertical PLM/CM/IT/ERP conference where specialists focus on one discipline and on the other side, a human-centric conference, where humans share their experiences in an organization.
The Share PLM Summit in May last year was an eye-opener for me. Starting from the human perspective brought a lot of energy and willingness to discuss various insights – collaboration at its best.
Events, summits, workshops—when done well—create human connection. They remind participants that behind every deliverable sits a person trying to do meaningful work.
The focus on the human perspective is not soft. It is strategic because collaboration is not primarily about information exchange. It is about relationship quality and trust.
The Real Question
The question is not whether collaboration is valuable. The question is whether we are willing to adjust our vertical incentives to make it possible.
Because collaboration is not free, it requires time. It requires emotional energy. It requires psychological safety. It sometimes requires giving up local control for global benefit.
In systems terms, it requires shifting from local optimization to whole-system optimization.
That is uncomfortable.
But if our products are complex, interconnected, and rapidly evolving—as most are today—then vertical thinking alone is no longer sufficient. The world has become horizontal, even if our org charts have not.
And perhaps the real challenge is not how to measure collaboration, but how to design organizations where collaboration is no longer something we need to sell at all. An article from McKinsey might inspire you here for this transition – for me, it did: Toward an integrated technology operating model.
Beyond AI
While everyone talks and writes about AI, I do not believe AI will solve the collaboration issue. For sure, AI collaboration with agents will increase personal and organizational effectiveness, but it never touches our limbic brain, the irreplaceable part that makes us typical humans and unique.
There will always be a need for that, unless we become numb and addicted to the AI environments. There are various studies popping up on how AI “untrains” our brain muscles, reduces patience and deep thinking. Finding a new human balance is crucial.
Conclusion
Triggered by Chad Jackson’s post about MBSE and collaboration, I took the time to deep-dive into the aspects of collaboration in the PLM domain. How do you manage collaboration?
Come and share your experiences at the upcoming Share PLM 2026 summit from 19-20 May in Jerez. The title of my keynote: Are Humans Still Resources? Agentic AI and the Future of Work and PLM.
This blog post is especially written for our PLM Global Green Alliance LinkedIn members — a message from a “boomer” to the next generation of PLM enthusiasts.
If you belong to that next generation, please read until the end and share your thoughts.
With last week’s announcement from the US government, no longer treating greenhouse gas emissions as a threat to the planet or climate.
We see a push to remove regulations that limit companies from continuing or expanding business without considering the broader consequences for other countries and future generations.
It feels like a short-term, greedy decision, largely influenced by those who benefit from fossil-carbon economies. Decisions like this make the energy transition harder, because the path of least resistance is always the easiest to follow.

Transitions are never simple. But when science is ignored, data is removed, and opinions replace facts, we are no longer supporting a transition — we are actively working against it.
My Story
When I started working in the PLM domain in 1999, climate change already existed in the background of society. The 1972 Limits to Growth report by the Club of Rome had created waves long before, encouraging some people to rethink business and lifestyle choices.
For me, however, it stayed outside my daily focus. I was at the beginning of my career, excited about the new challenges.
And important to notice that connecting to the internet with a 28k modem was the standard, a world without social media constantly reminding us of global issues.
I enjoyed my role as the “Flying Dutchman,” travelling around the world to support PLM implementations and discussions. Flying was simply part of the job. Real communication meant being in the same room; early phone and video calls were expensive, awkward, and often ineffective. PLM was — and still is — a human business.
Back then, the effects of carbon emissions and global warming felt distant, almost abstract. Only around 2014 did the conversation become more mainstream for me, helped by social media, before algorithms and bots began driving polarization.
In 2015, while writing about PLM and global warming, I realized something that still resonates today: even when we understand change is needed, we often stick to familiar habits, because investments in the future rarely deliver immediate ROI for ourselves or our shareholders.
The PLM Green Global Alliance

When Rich McFall approached me in 2019 with the idea of creating an alliance where people and companies could share ideas and experiences around sustainability in the PLM domain, I was immediately interested — for two reasons.
- First, there was a certain sense of responsibility related to my past activities as the Flying Dutchman. Not guilt — life is about learning and gaining insight — but awareness that I needed to change, even if the past could not be changed.
- Second, and more importantly, the PLM Green Global Alliance offered a way to contribute. It gave me a reason to act — for personal peace of mind and for future generations. Not only for my children or grandchildren, but for all those who will share this planet with them.
In the first years of the PGGA, we saw strong engagement from younger professionals. Over time, however, we noticed that career priorities often came first — which is understandable.
Like me at the start of my career, many focus first on building their future. Career and sustainability can coexist, but investing extra time in long-term change is not easy when daily responsibilities already demand so much.
Your Chance to Work on the Future
The real challenge lies with those willing to go the extra mile — staying focused on today’s business while also investing energy in the long-term future.
At the same time, I understand that not everyone is in a position to speak out or dedicate time to sustainability initiatives. Circumstances differ. For many, current responsibilities leave little space for additional commitments.
Still, for those willing to join us, we have two requests to better understand your expectations.
Two weeks ago, I connected with our 40 newest members of the PLM Green Global Alliance. We are now close to 1,600 members — up from around 1,500 in September 2025, as mentioned in Working on the Long Term.
That post was a gentle call to action. Seeing our PGGA membership continue to grow is encouraging — and naturally raises a question:
1. What motivates people to join the PGGA LinkedIn group?
So far, only a small number of the recent new members have completed a survey that was especially sent to them to explore changing priorities. Due to the low response, we extended the invitation to all members. We are curious about your expectations — and quietly hopeful about your involvement.
If you haven’t filled in the survey yet, please click here and share your feedback. The survey is anonymous unless you choose to leave your details for follow-up. We will share the results in approximately 2 weeks from now.
2. Design for Sustainability – your contribution?
Last year, Erik Rieger and Matthew Sullivan launched a new workgroup within the PLM Green Global Alliance focused on Design for Sustainability. While the initial energy was strong, changes in personal priorities meant the team could not continue at the pace they hoped. Since many new members have joined since last May, we decided to relaunch the initiative.
If you are interested in contributing to the revival of Design for Sustainability, please take five minutes to complete the short survey. Your input will help shape the direction of the DfS working group and frame future discussions.
Note: If you are worried about clicking on the links for the survey, you can always contact us directly (in private) to share your ambition
Conclusion
The outside world often pushes us to focus only on daily business. In some places, there is even active pressure to avoid long-term sustainability investments. Remember that pressure often comes from those invested in keeping the current system unchanged.
If you care about the future — your generation and those that follow — stay engaged. Small actions by millions of people can create meaningful change.
We look forward to your input and participation.
— says the boomer who still cares 😉

Last week, I wrote about the first day of the crowded PLM Roadmap/PDT Europe conference.
You can still read my post here in case you missed it: A very long week after PLM Roadmap / PDT Europe 2025
My conclusion from that post was that day 1 was a challenging day if you are a newbie in the domain of PLM and data-driven practices. We discussed and learned about relevant standards that support a digital enterprise, as well as the need for ontologies and semantic models to give data meaning and serve as a foundation for potential AI tools and use cases.
This post will focus on the other aspects of product lifecycle management – the evolving methodologies and the human side.
Note: I try to avoid the abbreviation PLM, as many of us in the field associate PLM with a system, where, for me, the system is more of an IT solution, where the strategy and practices are best named as product lifecycle management.

And as a reminder, I used the image above in other conversations. Every company does product lifecycle management; only the number of people, their processes, or their tools might differ. As Peter Billelo mentioned in his opening speech, the products are why the company exists.
Unlocking Efficiency with Model-Based Definition
Day 2 started energetically with Dennys Gomes‘ keynote, which introduced model-based definition (MBD) at Vestas, a world-leading OEM for wind turbines.
Personally, I consider MBD as one of the stepping stones to learning and mastering a model-based enterprise, although do not be confused by the term “model”. In MBD, we use the 3D CAD model as the source to manage and support a data-driven connection among engineering, manufacturing, and suppliers. The business benefits are clear, as reported by companies that follow this approach.
However, it also involves changes in technology, methodology, skills, and even contractual relations.
Dennys started sharing the analysis they conducted on the amount of information in current manufacturing drawings. The image below shows that only the green marker information was used, so the time and effort spent creating the drawings were wasted.
It was an opportunity to explore model-based definition, and the team ran several pilots to learn how to handle MBD, improve their skills, methodologies, and tool usage. As mentioned before, it is a profound change to move from coordinated to connected ways of working; it does not happen by simply installing a new tool.
The image above shows the learning phases and the ultimate benefits accomplished. Besides moving to a model-based definition of the information, Dennys mentioned they used the opportunity to simplify and automate the generation of the information.
Vestas is on a clear path, and it is interesting to see their ambition in the MBD roadmap below.
An inspirational story, hopefully motivating other companies to make this first step to a model-based enterprise. Perhaps difficult at the beginning from the people’s perspective, but as a business, it is a profitable and required direction.
Bridging The Gap Between IT and Business
It was a great pleasure to listen again to Peter Vind from Siemens Energy, who first explained to the audience how to position the role of an enterprise architect in a company compared to society. He mentioned he has to deal with the unicorns at the C-level, who, like politicians in a city, sometimes have the most “innovative” ideas – can they be realized?
To answer these questions, Peter is referring to the Business Capability Model (BCM) he uses as an Enterprise Architect.
Business Capabilities define ‘what’ a company needs to do to execute its strategy, are structured into logical clusters, and should be the foundation for the enterprise, on which both IT and business can come to a common approach.
The detailed image above is worth studying if you are interested in the levels and the mappings of the capabilities. The BCM approach was beneficial when the company became disconnected from Siemens AG, enabling it to rationalize its application portfolio.
Next, Peter zoomed in on some of the examples of how a BCM and structured application portfolio management can help to rationalize the AI hype/demand – where is it applicable, where does AI have impact – and as he illustrated, it is not that simple. With the BCM, you have a base for further analysis.
Other future-relevant topics he shared included how to address the introduction of the digital product passport and how the BCM methodology supports the shift in business models toward a modern “Power-as-a-Service” model.
He concludes that having a Business Capability Model gives you a stable foundation for managing your enterprise architecture now and into the future. The BCM complements other methodologies that connect business strategy to (IT) execution. See also my 2024 post: Don’t use the P** word! – 5 lessons learned.
Holistic PLM in Action.
or companies struggling with their digital transformation in the PLM domain, Andreas Wank, Head of Smart Innovation at Pepperl+Fuchs SE, shared his journey so far. All the essential aspects of such a transformation were mentioned. Pepperl+Fuchs has a portfolio of approximately 15,000 products that combine hardware and software.
It started with the WHY. With such a massive portfolio, business innovation is under pressure without a PLM infrastructure. Too many changes, fragmented data, no single source of truth, and siloed ways of working lead to much rework, errors, and iterations that keep the company busy while missing the global value drivers.
Next, the journey!
The above image is an excellent way to communicate the why, what, and how to a broader audience. All the main messages are in the image, which helps people align with them.
The first phase of the project, creating digital continuity, is also an excellent example of digital transformation in traditional document-driven enterprises. From files to data align with the From Coordinated To Connected theme.
Next, the focus was to describe these new ways of working with all stakeholders involved before starting the selection and implementation of PLM tools. This approach is so crucial, as one of my big lessons learned from the past is: “Never start a PLM implementation in R&D.”
If you start in R&D, the priority shifts away from the easy flow of data between all stakeholders; it becomes an R&D System that others will have to live with.
You never get a second, first impression!
Pepperl+Fuchs spends a long time validating its PLM selection – something you might only see in privately owned companies that are not driven by shareholder demands, but take the time to prepare and understand their next move.
As Andreas also explained, it is not only about the functional processes. As the image shows, migration (often the elephant in the room) and integration with the other enterprise systems also need to be considered. And all of this is combined with managing the transition and the necessary organizational change.
Andreas shared some best practices illustrating the focus on the transition and human aspects. They have implemented a regular survey to measure the PLM mood in the company. And when the mood went radical down on Sept 24, from 4.1 to 2.8 on a scale of 1 to 5, it was time to act.
They used one week at a separate location, where 30 of his colleagues worked on the reported issues in one room, leading to 70 decisions that week. And the result was measurable, as shown in the image below.
Andreas’s story was such a perfect fit for the discussions we have in the Share PLM podcast series that we asked him to tell it in more detail, also for those who have missed it. Subscribe and stay tuned for the podcast, coming soon.
Trust, Small Changes, and Transformation.
Ashwath Sooriyanarayanan and Sofia Lindgren, both active at the corporate level in the PLM domain at Assa Abloy, came with an interesting story about their PLM lessons learned.
To understand their story, it is essential to comprehend Assa Abloy as a special company, as the image below explains. With over 1000 sites, 200 production facilities, and, last year, on average every two weeks, a new acquisition, it is hard to standardize the company, driven by a corporate organization.
However, this was precisely what Assa Abloy has been trying to do over the past few years. Working towards a single PLM system, with generic processes for all, spending a lot of time integrating and migrating data from the different entities became a mission impossible.
To increase user acceptance, they fell into the trap of customizing the system ever more to meet many user demands. A dead end, as many other companies have probably experienced similarly.
And then they came with a strategic shift. Instead of holding on to the past and the money invested in technology, they shifted to the human side.
The PLM group became a trusted organisation supporting the individual entities. Instead of telling them what to do (Top-Down), they talked with the local business and provided standardized PLM knowledge and capabilities where needed (Bottom-Up).
This “modular” approach made the PLM group the trusted partner of the individual business. A unique approach, making us realize that the human aspect remains part of implementing PLM
Humans cannot be transformed
Given the length of this blog post, I will not spend too much text on my closing presentation at the conference. After a technical start on DAY 1, we gradually moved to broader, human-related topics in the latter part.
You can find my presentation here on SlideShare as usual, and perhaps the best summary from my session was given in this post from Paul Comis. Enjoy his conclusion.
Conclusion
Two and a half intensive days in Paris again at the PLM Roadmap / PDT Europe conference, where some of the crucial aspects of PLM were shared in detail. The value of the conference lies in the stories and discussions with the participants. Only slides do not provide enough education. You need to be curious and active to discover the best perspective.

For those celebrating: Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving!
After a summer holiday in the south of Greece, it is time to resume my activities. The south of Crete is largely an analogue environment, far from any digital hype.
Tempted by LinkedIn posts, I noticed the summer was full of memories, with Martin Eigner sharing 40 years of PLM experience, Oleg Shilovitsky sharing 30 years of PDM Evolution, and Michael Finochario publishing posts on PLM vendors, CAD kernels, and more.
So where do I stand? While digesting all these historical experiences, I reflected on what we can learn from them and what we didn’t learn from them.
It started with technology.
From 1990 to 1999, I worked with mid-market companies, where data management was the most significant challenge. The introduction of MS Windows made data management more user-friendly, evolving from drawing management systems with version and status management capabilities.
Who remembers Automanager Workflow from Cyco, before SmarTeam came on the market?
For that reason, in the early days, PDM was an IT job. As the PDM system primarily dealt with engineering data, it was relatively easy to implement as an organizational change process. We transitioned from analogue to electronic in the department.
Connecting with other systems, particularly ERP, was a serious IT job and a financial challenge. Connecting with other systems, particularly ERP, was a serious IT job and a financial challenge. The rapid decline of IT components, combined with the rapid growth of global connectivity, has created new opportunities for collaboration.
As part of the Dassault/IBM/SmarTeam organization, I explained and taught these new capabilities worldwide.
In 2008, my VirtualDutchman blog and coaching journey began, evolving from explanations of technology to modern methodologies, which led to organizational change and expectation management – skills not traditionally associated with IT.
Then came digital transformation
With growing connectivity, smartphones and Web 2.0 technology have led to more PLM-like discussions. PLM vendors expanded their scope and developed capabilities beyond mechanical engineering.
The expansion of capabilities was also the moment when the confusion about the term PLM reached its peak: a PLM strategy or a PLM system?
At the time, they were largely considered the same in discussions and advertisements..
Meanwhile, digital transformation was occurring at the marketing and sales levels – companies invested in direct communication with their customers through the web.
Meanwhile, the internal ways of working for R&D, engineering, and manufacturing did not change significantly. Still, they were following linear processes, and despite the existence of 3D CAD, the 2D drawing remained the primary carrier of legal information between engineering, manufacturing, and suppliers.
Note: the option where the most benefits could be achieved – connected supply chains – had the lowest focus in 2017 – something that would change with COVID-19.
Fundamental digital transformation in the PLM domain occurred gradually. ARAS came with its overlay approach (the platform), connecting various disciplines and enterprise systems. In contrast, Dassault Systèmes introduced its 3DEXPERIENCE platform, utilizing its own software brands as platform components.
Most PLM vendors rapidly countered Aras’ overlay approach with their low-code offerings based on Mendix, ThingWorx or Netvibes, to enable data flows beyond the traditional PDM scope. The Coordinated Digital Thread was born.
The good news is that PLM has now clearly become a strategy based on a federated system infrastructure. The single PLM system no longer exists, although many of us still use the term’ PLM system’ to refer to the main component of a PLM infrastructure – the System of Record.
Moving to a federated PLM infrastructure is already a challenge for companies, not because of the available technology, but first of all because of the legacy data and, closely related to that, legacy processes and people skills.

Legacy is creating the inertia, not technology!
Next came the cloud – SaaS
With the availability of cloud solutions that support real-time interactions between stakeholders, either within an enterprise or in a value chain, a new paradigm has emerged: the connected enterprise.
A connected enterprise no longer needs interfaces to transfer data from one system to another.
Instead, with apps and dashboards, combined data from different online sources is presented in a single, user-friendly working environment – A combination of the Systems of Record with the new environments – the Systems of Engagement.

The technology used to create dashboards and apps is based on modern data-driven technologies and principles (ontologies, graph databases, and the semantic web). The Connected Digital Thread was born.
However, legacy systems play an essential role again, as some systems of engagement can be implemented in a complementary manner to the systems of record, allowing companies to work within an integrated technology model.
People will work in a particular mode, either coordinated or connected, but organizations can operate in both modes simultaneously. A story I have been sharing a lot – it is not about migrations but about an evolutionary approach towards an integrated technology model.
At this point, it becomes essential that business objectives drive the implementation of a PLM infrastructure. Of course, you hear me say we should start from the business; however, the big difference now is that a company should coordinate the technologies, systems, and tools it acquires to avoid isolated islands of information.
Follow Yousef Hooshmand‘s 5 + 1 business transformation steps.
An open SaaS infrastructure enables a company to let data flow almost in real-time. There is a lot of discussion related to data quality and governance, and if you have missed it, please read these three articles I created together with Rob Feronne, the product Digital PLuMber:
- Data Quality and Data Governance – A hype? (part 1)
- Data Quality and Data Governance – the WHY and HOW (part 2)

- Building the Future: Data Quality and Governance in the Digital Age (part 3)
There are some great insights in this dialogue and the associated LinkedIn comments.
Despite the increasing availability of technology, it is the legacy of people, processes, and culture that is hindering progress.
Rob Feronne had a shocking lightbulb moment 😲 in our discussion about the future of PLM, where the participants – see below – answered a question related to the importance of technology in our PLM domain – shocking also for me.
My thumb was up because modern technology matters! The question inspired Oleg Shilovitsky to write a whole blog post on this topic. If you’re truly shocked, read his post, where I agree with the content; the question is too simple to answer with a thumbs up/down.
As technology has become more accessible than before, you no longer need an IT department to establish a PLM infrastructure. And then indeed, the people and process side needs and deserves much more attention..
And now there is AI
If you haven’t read anything about AI recently, you must be living in an isolated location. Regardless of the business discussions you are following, it is all about the potential of AI.
Although AI is not a new concept, the fact that various AI capabilities have now reached the end-user level is what drives the hype. Currently, I believe we are at the peak of the hype.
Last week, I participated in an interesting discussion in the series: The Future of PLM moderated by Michael Finochario, this time talking with the analysts. Click on the link to see Michael’s excellent summary and access to the recording of the event.
It was an interesting discussion for a little more than an hour, and the majority of our discussion was about the potential impact of AI on businesses. First, the impact AI can have on the traditional work of an analyst and next, the effects on the PLM domain.
I believe we agreed that AI at this moment is mainly providing higher user efficiency and performance, very much aligned with the interesting research I have been reading in the MIT NANDA report with the title The GenAI Divide: STATE OF AI IN BUSINESS 2025
The report’s interesting findings included high adoption of tools but low transformation. Despite significant investment in Generative AI (GenAI), most organizations are not achieving meaningful business transformation.
- 95% of organizations report zero return on GenAI investments.
- Only 5% of integrated AI pilots generate millions in value.
- 80% of organizations have explored or piloted tools like ChatGPT, but these primarily enhance individual productivity.
- 60% of organizations evaluated enterprise-grade systems, but only 20% reached the pilot stage, and just 5% reached production.
- Key barriers include brittle workflows, a lack of contextual learning, and operational misalignment.
Therefore, the question is – Is current AI the next bubble?
In 2014, I wrote about the lack of digital transformation in the PLM domain, and two images (below) from a report by The Economist could be used again. The report can be found here: The Onrushing Wave.
Click on the image to read the 2013 predictions.
I realized that my current job, as a recreational therapist and firefighter at the time, was not at risk, and that some of the predictions from 10 years ago had become a reality. Who is still bothered by telemarketers or retail salespersons?
However, many of the AI symptoms mentioned in the MIT NANDA report are similar to the hype surrounding digital transformation.
The only reservation I have now – will it take a decade before we understand and demonstrate the value of AI, or are we accelerating?
In this context, the upcoming PLM Roadmap/PDT Europe conference on 5 – 6 November will be interesting, as here we will discuss reality.
For a few of you interested in more, there is the day before the conference, a (free) workshop where we will discuss with some thought leaders and experts from various companies how the future of PLM could look like – based on standards, AI tools and more. Click on the image below the conclusion.
Conclusion
The summertime was a nice moment to reflect, inspired by others in my network. What is clear is that there is a shift from technology towards people and change. The rapid expansion of AI tools, along with connected technologies, has created an overwhelming array of possibilities. Now it is time for business leadership to understand them and utilize them for significant business improvement, where the fear is that substantial change will always be slowed down by organizational inertia.













Last week I listened to a Dutch podcast that gave me an unexpected inspiration. The podcast 



I believe our brain is a muscle. Like any muscle, it needs resistance to stay strong. You do not become a better cyclist by riding an eBike everywhere — the motor does the work, and your legs lose the real strength needed when you are without your bike. The same applies to cognitive effort.
It is not the first time a transformative technology arrived with enormous promise and created a deeply unequal outcome. The Industrial Revolution reduced most workers to resources while a few became extraordinarily wealthy.
The PLM vendors benefited from selling the dream, the consultants benefited from its complexity and the users, initially engineers and later more stakeholders in the product lifecycle, often suffered under rigid processes and complex systems. As the systems were designed to store information. User-friendlyness was not a priority.

As individuals, we need to keep on training our brain-muscles without AI where the muscle matters. As the Dutch podcast mentioned: write your first draft before asking Claude to improve it, think through a problem before asking ChatGPT to solve it, and read a book of 100 pages.







December is the last month when daylight is getting shorter in the Netherlands, and with the end of the year approaching, this is the time to reflect on 2025.
It was already clear that AI-generated content was going to drown the blogging space. The result: Original content became less and less visible, and a self-reinforcing amount of general messages reduced further excitement.
Therefore, if you are still interested in content that has not been generated with AI, I recommend subscribing to my blog and interacting directly with me through the comments, either on LinkedIn or via a direct message.
It was PeopleCentric first at the beginning of the year, with the 


Who are going to be the winners? Currently, the hardware, datacenter and energy providers, not the AI-solution providers. But this can change.
Many of the current AI tools allow individuals to perform better at first sight. Suddenly, someone who could not write understandable (email) messages, draw images or create structured presentations now has a better connection with others—the question to ask is whether these improved efficiencies will also result in business benefits for an organization.
Looking back at the introduction of email with Lotus Notes, for example, email repositories became information siloes and did not really improve the intellectual behavior of people.
As a result of this, some companies tried to reduce the usage of individual emails and work more and more in communities with a specific context. Also, due to COVID and improved connectivity, this led to the success of
For many companies, the chatbot is a way to reduce the number of people active in customer relations, either sales or services. I believe that, combined with the usage of LLMs, an improvement in customer service can be achieved. Or at least the perception, as so far I do not recall any interaction with a chatbot to be specific enough to solve my problem.




Remember, the first 50 – 100 years of the Industrial Revolution made only a few people extremely rich. 















Although scientists engaged in a discussion about the scientific evidence, there were no significant economic forces behind the scenes influencing the scientific research.


We look forward to having 
The tools for generative design, life cycle assessment, and, of course, digital twins for the various lifecycle phases can help companies to develop and manufacture more sustainable products.

Part of this challenge is the lack of education among top management, who are primarily focused on efficiency gains rather than adopting new approaches or mitigating risk.
However, first and foremost, the most critical factor in driving sustainability within organizations is the people. Where companies are challenged in creating a green image, including the introduction of the Chief Sustainability Officer (CSO), there has always been resistance from existing business leaders, who prioritize money and profitability.




And recently, we saw the 









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