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		<title>Comment on PLM practices for the engineering construction industry? by Jed Fisher</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2012/01/24/plm-practices-for-the-engineering-construction-industry/#comment-1176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jed Fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly I&#039;ve noticed on some of the screenshots Autodesk 360 is targeted at both PLM and (to a lesser extent) BIM.

As someone who has worked in both industries (recently AEC) the similarities are ridiculous. Yes you are right some things are different (like what you say about &quot;group of loose connected suppliers&quot;) but at the same time it&#039;s not that different - Boeing is also known to outsource a little ;-)).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly I&#8217;ve noticed on some of the screenshots Autodesk 360 is targeted at both PLM and (to a lesser extent) BIM.</p>
<p>As someone who has worked in both industries (recently AEC) the similarities are ridiculous. Yes you are right some things are different (like what you say about &#8220;group of loose connected suppliers&#8221;) but at the same time it&#8217;s not that different &#8211; Boeing is also known to outsource a little <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
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		<title>Comment on PLM: What is the target? by Jed Fisher</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2012/02/11/plm-what-is-the-target/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jed Fisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Jos
I&#039;m a long time reader/fan. Would love to meet you at the PLM Innovation conference.
In my experience of working with a number of PLM systems, they often try to &quot;solve world hunger&quot; and hence try to do everything for everyone. For certain things it is necessary to have a single system that understands many aspects of the business (Data and People) but sometimes point (or more focused) solutions can allow for a better experience (i.e. innovation, simplicity, effectiveness, etc).
I&#039;d love to get your thoughts on related systems that can work with PLM systems and thus overall make the total greater than the sum of it&#039;s parts.
Im the founder of a new collaborative decision making platform called DecisionSphere. DecisionSphere for example can help people figure out which PLM system to use - or when to upgrade, etc.
If you have 15 minutes at the conference I&#039;d love to meetup.
Thanks kindly - regardless - love your work, please keep it up!
Jed


&lt;em&gt;Jed thanks for your encouragement and I am looking forward to meet during PLM Innovation. Beside the lectures the networking is for me the most important goal, as in the corridors you learn and discuss the trend. So see you soon.

Best regards

Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jos<br />
I&#8217;m a long time reader/fan. Would love to meet you at the PLM Innovation conference.<br />
In my experience of working with a number of PLM systems, they often try to &#8220;solve world hunger&#8221; and hence try to do everything for everyone. For certain things it is necessary to have a single system that understands many aspects of the business (Data and People) but sometimes point (or more focused) solutions can allow for a better experience (i.e. innovation, simplicity, effectiveness, etc).<br />
I&#8217;d love to get your thoughts on related systems that can work with PLM systems and thus overall make the total greater than the sum of it&#8217;s parts.<br />
Im the founder of a new collaborative decision making platform called DecisionSphere. DecisionSphere for example can help people figure out which PLM system to use &#8211; or when to upgrade, etc.<br />
If you have 15 minutes at the conference I&#8217;d love to meetup.<br />
Thanks kindly &#8211; regardless &#8211; love your work, please keep it up!<br />
Jed</p>
<p><em>Jed thanks for your encouragement and I am looking forward to meet during PLM Innovation. Beside the lectures the networking is for me the most important goal, as in the corridors you learn and discuss the trend. So see you soon.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Jos</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on PLM: What is the target? by Paul</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2012/02/11/plm-what-is-the-target/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think your point around the link between aftersales and new concepts is key, Jos.  Both in terms of idea generation and innovation, and the impact managing in-service products has to have on the design/definition process, it is a large disruption, probably one many companies don&#039;t have the appetite for.  Add in the lack of current process metrics (to enable an ROI to be calculated) and you need a brave CEO to go for a (big) PLM implementation these days.

&lt;em&gt;Paul, exactly what I mean. Best Regards Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your point around the link between aftersales and new concepts is key, Jos.  Both in terms of idea generation and innovation, and the impact managing in-service products has to have on the design/definition process, it is a large disruption, probably one many companies don&#8217;t have the appetite for.  Add in the lack of current process metrics (to enable an ROI to be calculated) and you need a brave CEO to go for a (big) PLM implementation these days.</p>
<p><em>Paul, exactly what I mean. Best Regards Jos</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on PLM: What is the target? by Rick Franzosa</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2012/02/11/plm-what-is-the-target/#comment-1160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Franzosa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jos,

Thanks for the mention.  I agree completely with your conclusion.  Enjoy the conference and the beautiful city of Munchen!  I will be interested to read your thoughts after the conference.

Rick Franzosa
(a.k.a RealTimeRick)

&lt;em&gt;Thanks Rick for your feedback and yes I hope to come with some new insights. 

Best regards   

Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mention.  I agree completely with your conclusion.  Enjoy the conference and the beautiful city of Munchen!  I will be interested to read your thoughts after the conference.</p>
<p>Rick Franzosa<br />
(a.k.a RealTimeRick)</p>
<p><em>Thanks Rick for your feedback and yes I hope to come with some new insights. </p>
<p>Best regards   </p>
<p>Jos</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on PLM practices for the engineering construction industry? by beyondplm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beyondplm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jos, I think an oversimplified answer on your question is BIM is PLM in engineering construction. Three years ago (2008), I posted the following article - PLM and BIM: Common Roots or Common Future (http://plmtwine.com/2008/12/22/plm-and-bim-%E2%80%93-common-roots-or-common-future/). I still think BIM and PLM have lots of things in common. The biggest difference between PLM and BIM is fundamentally different business models of construction projects compared to manufacturing business. I&#039;d be interested to follow up comments on this post in the future. Best, Oleg

&lt;em&gt;Oleg thanks for your response. For me BIM is the &#039;digital mockup&#039; for the building industry. It will solve for sure a lot of compatibillity issues and reduce errors. But BIM is &#039;technology&#039; and it does not focus on the processes, mainly the way to connect the engineering part and the maintenance part through versioning, status and configuration management. Here I believe looking at PLM practices (and implementing them) will bring great value - Best regards Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos, I think an oversimplified answer on your question is BIM is PLM in engineering construction. Three years ago (2008), I posted the following article &#8211; PLM and BIM: Common Roots or Common Future (<a href="http://plmtwine.com/2008/12/22/plm-and-bim-%E2%80%93-common-roots-or-common-future/" rel="nofollow">http://plmtwine.com/2008/12/22/plm-and-bim-%E2%80%93-common-roots-or-common-future/</a>). I still think BIM and PLM have lots of things in common. The biggest difference between PLM and BIM is fundamentally different business models of construction projects compared to manufacturing business. I&#8217;d be interested to follow up comments on this post in the future. Best, Oleg</p>
<p><em>Oleg thanks for your response. For me BIM is the &#8216;digital mockup&#8217; for the building industry. It will solve for sure a lot of compatibillity issues and reduce errors. But BIM is &#8216;technology&#8217; and it does not focus on the processes, mainly the way to connect the engineering part and the maintenance part through versioning, status and configuration management. Here I believe looking at PLM practices (and implementing them) will bring great value &#8211; Best regards Jos</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why PLM 2.0 &#8211; Conclusions by Oleg@Inforbix</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2011/12/31/why-plm-2-0-conclusions/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oleg@Inforbix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jos, I like your conclusion. For me, to share product data connected to multiple systems and data sources is a goal for 2012. I&#039;m excited to see Inforbix is making right steps in that direction.

Thanks Oleg - success in 2012 and make sure you can be found at the right moment. Best regards   Jos&lt;em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos, I like your conclusion. For me, to share product data connected to multiple systems and data sources is a goal for 2012. I&#8217;m excited to see Inforbix is making right steps in that direction.</p>
<p>Thanks Oleg &#8211; success in 2012 and make sure you can be found at the right moment. Best regards   Jos<em></em></p>
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		<title>Comment on PLM and Innovation @ PLMINNOVATION 2011 by The Role of Enterprise Search within Product Life Managment : Beyond Search</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2011/01/22/plm-and-innovation-plminnovation-2011/#comment-1095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Role of Enterprise Search within Product Life Managment : Beyond Search]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] current trends in product life management (PLM) and anticipated future trends.  The article, PLM and Innovation @ PLMINNOVATION 2011, on Jos Voskuil&#8217;s Weblog gives an overview of the conference as well as highlights some of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] current trends in product life management (PLM) and anticipated future trends.  The article, PLM and Innovation @ PLMINNOVATION 2011, on Jos Voskuil&#8217;s Weblog gives an overview of the conference as well as highlights some of [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why PLM 2.0: Change in business by Douglas Noordhoorn</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2011/10/03/why-plm-2-0-change-in-business/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas Noordhoorn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jos, a belated comment on your excellent article: I have some problems with all this talk about PLM being too structured to achieve acceptance by a new generation. I may come from an&quot;old school engineering&quot; environment (and generation...) and that is possibly why I cannot see that the process of developing products suddenly becomes less structured at the advent of a new generation of knowledge workers. 

If anything, aircraft, cars and consumer products need to be developed in a more structured way than in the past if only because of increasing complexity coupled to shorter development lead times. And if PLM reflects that development process and the rest of the lifecycle, it needs to be structured too. On the other hand, I agree with you that we need additional ways to access information in PLM, ways that do not force us to follow the PLM structure, but present us with a more intuitive way to find data.

I think we should be aware of the different ways users interact with PLM systems: one is about entering data as part of a product or document structure, release that data according to a (often externally) required quality process, or manage development projects. The other is about retrieving information and collaborating with colleagues within an often extended organisation; this is a non-structured process, requiring different ways of interacting with PLM: Search Based Applications, Social media.

So for me it is about enhancing the structured PLM process with new tools and methods to also support the non-structured process.

Douglas

&lt;em&gt;Thanks Douglas and I believe we are 100 % in-line. 
I will publish it soon in my even more belated conclusion
best regards

Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos, a belated comment on your excellent article: I have some problems with all this talk about PLM being too structured to achieve acceptance by a new generation. I may come from an&#8221;old school engineering&#8221; environment (and generation&#8230;) and that is possibly why I cannot see that the process of developing products suddenly becomes less structured at the advent of a new generation of knowledge workers. </p>
<p>If anything, aircraft, cars and consumer products need to be developed in a more structured way than in the past if only because of increasing complexity coupled to shorter development lead times. And if PLM reflects that development process and the rest of the lifecycle, it needs to be structured too. On the other hand, I agree with you that we need additional ways to access information in PLM, ways that do not force us to follow the PLM structure, but present us with a more intuitive way to find data.</p>
<p>I think we should be aware of the different ways users interact with PLM systems: one is about entering data as part of a product or document structure, release that data according to a (often externally) required quality process, or manage development projects. The other is about retrieving information and collaborating with colleagues within an often extended organisation; this is a non-structured process, requiring different ways of interacting with PLM: Search Based Applications, Social media.</p>
<p>So for me it is about enhancing the structured PLM process with new tools and methods to also support the non-structured process.</p>
<p>Douglas</p>
<p><em>Thanks Douglas and I believe we are 100 % in-line.<br />
I will publish it soon in my even more belated conclusion<br />
best regards</p>
<p>Jos</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why PLM 2.0: Change in business by Stephen Porter</title>
		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2011/10/03/why-plm-2-0-change-in-business/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Porter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jos, 
This was quite an article.  I really appreciate the depth you have achieved with this article.  I wanted to comment on your Social Media discussion.  I have struggled with understanding how social media will be relevant to 
PLM 2.0 and while there may be some value from crowdsourcing I really think the value will be from PLM adopting social media features inside the application as opposed to opening PLM up.  An example of this might be like Chatter in Salesforce.  I still am not sure how useful Chatter is but I think UI features that better enable communication among the users of a PLM system and easier ways to share data outside of PLM will be the main takeaways from social media for PLM 2.0.

&lt;em&gt;Stephen thanks for your feedback. I think as the way companies will collaborate - more as development / delivery teams, the need for community based interactions like facebook and others might become relevant, including chatting. Imagine you have a question to one of your global team members and he/she is on-line. Would you send an email ?

Best regards and I hope I will find time soon for chapter 4 - the conclusion on PLM 2.0 (so far)

Jos&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jos,<br />
This was quite an article.  I really appreciate the depth you have achieved with this article.  I wanted to comment on your Social Media discussion.  I have struggled with understanding how social media will be relevant to<br />
PLM 2.0 and while there may be some value from crowdsourcing I really think the value will be from PLM adopting social media features inside the application as opposed to opening PLM up.  An example of this might be like Chatter in Salesforce.  I still am not sure how useful Chatter is but I think UI features that better enable communication among the users of a PLM system and easier ways to share data outside of PLM will be the main takeaways from social media for PLM 2.0.</p>
<p><em>Stephen thanks for your feedback. I think as the way companies will collaborate &#8211; more as development / delivery teams, the need for community based interactions like facebook and others might become relevant, including chatting. Imagine you have a question to one of your global team members and he/she is on-line. Would you send an email ?</p>
<p>Best regards and I hope I will find time soon for chapter 4 &#8211; the conclusion on PLM 2.0 (so far)</p>
<p>Jos</em></p>
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		<link>http://virtualdutchman.com/2010/11/07/plm-for-the-mid-market-your-opinion-as-reported/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will PLM Handbook for SMEs solve customer problems?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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